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		<title>By: A Cornucopia of&#160;Performance &#124; Urban Mainframe</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2008/10/19/upgrades-versus-antiques/comment-page-1#comment-388561</link>
		<dc:creator>A Cornucopia of&#160;Performance &#124; Urban Mainframe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] It&#8217;s mind-blowing to me that Moore&#8217;s Law still applies and shows no immediate sign of slowing. I expected miniaturisation or thermal barriers1 would have slowed processor development somewhat. But no, now we have multi-core with massively parallel processing and computers are still getting faster and cheaper. But I&#8217;m not buying any of it, because I don&#8217;t need&#160;it. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It&#8217;s mind-blowing to me that Moore&#8217;s Law still applies and shows no immediate sign of slowing. I expected miniaturisation or thermal barriers1 would have slowed processor development somewhat. But no, now we have multi-core with massively parallel processing and computers are still getting faster and cheaper. But I&#8217;m not buying any of it, because I don&#8217;t need&nbsp;it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Tozier</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2008/10/19/upgrades-versus-antiques/comment-page-1#comment-373318</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Tozier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Unlike pens and watches, computers (&quot;computing infrastructure&quot;) are still expanding to fill cultural niches, still breaking out into the wave of creative destruction. Phones and computers and smart dust and sensor-laden clothes are all still vying for resources like weed species colonizing an empty continent.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But like weed species, they have limited lifetimes. They&#039;re depending on &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-selection&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;r-selection&lt;/a&gt;, still. Not K-selection, which is what you want. I expect r-selection is part of the marketing culture surrounding all this tech.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And now I think about it, I wonder if maybe it works the other way around: you can&#039;t &quot;market&quot; something that&#039;s long-lived, especially something you interact with communicatively and increasingly like a peer (unlike your pen or your watch).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think it&#039;s time for a new shade tree in the back yard. That cow is looking kindof slow compared to these new cows they have, maybe we should replace it. I was thinking of a new left hand; what do you think of yours?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;ll be the real Andy Clark moment, by the way. And the counterpoint to the one you&#039;re waiting for.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike pens and watches, computers (&#8220;computing infrastructure&#8221;) are still expanding to fill cultural niches, still breaking out into the wave of creative destruction. Phones and computers and smart dust and sensor-laden clothes are all still vying for resources like weed species colonizing an empty continent.</p>
<p>But like weed species, they have limited lifetimes. They&#8217;re depending on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-selection" rel="nofollow">r-selection</a>, still. Not K-selection, which is what you want. I expect r-selection is part of the marketing culture surrounding all this tech.</p>
<p>And now I think about it, I wonder if maybe it works the other way around: you can&#8217;t &#8220;market&#8221; something that&#8217;s long-lived, especially something you interact with communicatively and increasingly like a peer (unlike your pen or your watch).</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s time for a new shade tree in the back yard. That cow is looking kindof slow compared to these new cows they have, maybe we should replace it. I was thinking of a new left hand; what do you think of yours?</p>
<p>That&#8217;ll be the real Andy Clark moment, by the way. And the counterpoint to the one you&#8217;re waiting for.</p>
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		<title>By: grendelkhan</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2008/10/19/upgrades-versus-antiques/comment-page-1#comment-373189</link>
		<dc:creator>grendelkhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The problem with screen resolution isn&#039;t so much about DPI as it is about size--this is why HDTV is, in its own way, the wrong idea. Users are far more liable to pick a larger display as being more high-quality than they are to pick a higher-resolution display.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Apart from that, I think we&#039;ll see a lot more throwing away of the various hacks and optimization that let us do what we wanted on lesser hardware. Smooth video playback is a solved problem? Let&#039;s funnel low-quality video through a proprietary browser plugin that chews so much CPU that you can&#039;t watch it even in a tiny window without skipping and juddering! Mmm, Flash. You make me party like it&#039;s 1999. Of course, using something like youtube-dl and playing the video with a dedicated player works fine. Perhaps the Flash folks are part of a massive conspiracy to keep us juicing up our hardware, eh?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I do think that some components can&#039;t be reasonably manufactured to last for fifteen years of continuous use, like power supplies and hard drives, but that&#039;s more of a corner case.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And if you&#039;d like to consider a field moving from a tradition of finely-manufactured heirloom objects that you could leave to your grandkids, to the upgrade treadmill of the eighteen-month semiconductor manufacturing cycle, consider photography. Yes, the marginal cost of a digital photo is nil, but instead of buying new film, you have to buy a new camera every year or two. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/enough-already.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;People who work in the field have written on this.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have a (roughly?) five year old DSLR, and I can&#039;t tell if it feels ancient because I&#039;m used to electronics aging like that, or because it was one of the first non-professional (i.e., affordable by mere mortals) models. If I could afford it, I&#039;d have probably bought a new one by now.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with screen resolution isn&#8217;t so much about DPI as it is about size&#8211;this is why HDTV is, in its own way, the wrong idea. Users are far more liable to pick a larger display as being more high-quality than they are to pick a higher-resolution display.</p>
<p>Apart from that, I think we&#8217;ll see a lot more throwing away of the various hacks and optimization that let us do what we wanted on lesser hardware. Smooth video playback is a solved problem? Let&#8217;s funnel low-quality video through a proprietary browser plugin that chews so much CPU that you can&#8217;t watch it even in a tiny window without skipping and juddering! Mmm, Flash. You make me party like it&#8217;s 1999. Of course, using something like youtube-dl and playing the video with a dedicated player works fine. Perhaps the Flash folks are part of a massive conspiracy to keep us juicing up our hardware, eh?</p>
<p>I do think that some components can&#8217;t be reasonably manufactured to last for fifteen years of continuous use, like power supplies and hard drives, but that&#8217;s more of a corner case.</p>
<p>And if you&#8217;d like to consider a field moving from a tradition of finely-manufactured heirloom objects that you could leave to your grandkids, to the upgrade treadmill of the eighteen-month semiconductor manufacturing cycle, consider photography. Yes, the marginal cost of a digital photo is nil, but instead of buying new film, you have to buy a new camera every year or two. <a href="http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/enough-already.shtml" rel="nofollow">People who work in the field have written on this.</a></p>
<p>I have a (roughly?) five year old DSLR, and I can&#8217;t tell if it feels ancient because I&#8217;m used to electronics aging like that, or because it was one of the first non-professional (i.e., affordable by mere mortals) models. If I could afford it, I&#8217;d have probably bought a new one by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Conner</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2008/10/19/upgrades-versus-antiques/comment-page-1#comment-373100</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Conner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m just now upgrading my main desktop from a 12 year old AMD-586 (150MHz, 32M RAM, something like 17G drive space) to a dual-core P4 with a gig of RAM and 150G of drive space (I think---it&#039;s large compared to what I&#039;m used to).  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why haven&#039;t I upgraded before?  Because the AMD system met my needs for that long.  I do mostly C development, and it&#039;s been a good workhorse for all that time.  And now that computers have pretty much settled down, my new machine should be good for at least a decade if not more.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just now upgrading my main desktop from a 12 year old AMD-586 (150MHz, 32M RAM, something like 17G drive space) to a dual-core P4 with a gig of RAM and 150G of drive space (I think&#8212;it&#8217;s large compared to what I&#8217;m used to).  </p>
<p>Why haven&#8217;t I upgraded before?  Because the AMD system met my needs for that long.  I do mostly C development, and it&#8217;s been a good workhorse for all that time.  And now that computers have pretty much settled down, my new machine should be good for at least a decade if not more.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan M. Hollin</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2008/10/19/upgrades-versus-antiques/comment-page-1#comment-373094</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan M. Hollin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m running a Power Mac G5 that&#039;s a few years old now but, with the latest OS and software revisions, is still perfectly adequate for my computing needs. Sure, I&#039;d love to upgrade to a top-of-the-line Mac Pro but I simply can&#039;t justify the expense when the G5 is such a great &quot;antique&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also still use my Apple MessagePad 2100 every day. It&#039;s an extremely reliable and well-featured PDA and I see no need to replace it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Finally we have an old P4 PC running XP. It&#039;s real slow but the kids use it for homework and web browsing and it&#039;ll stay for while yet.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So I agree, we may have reached that sweet spot already.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m running a Power Mac G5 that&#8217;s a few years old now but, with the latest OS and software revisions, is still perfectly adequate for my computing needs. Sure, I&#8217;d love to upgrade to a top-of-the-line Mac Pro but I simply can&#8217;t justify the expense when the G5 is such a great &#8220;antique&#8221;.</p>
<p>I also still use my Apple MessagePad 2100 every day. It&#8217;s an extremely reliable and well-featured PDA and I see no need to replace it.</p>
<p>Finally we have an old P4 PC running XP. It&#8217;s real slow but the kids use it for homework and web browsing and it&#8217;ll stay for while yet.</p>
<p>So I agree, we may have reached that sweet spot already.</p>
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		<title>By: CiaranG</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2008/10/19/upgrades-versus-antiques/comment-page-1#comment-373089</link>
		<dc:creator>CiaranG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For the most part, I&#039;m already there.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have several PCs around the house in daily use that are at least 8 years old. Drives may have been upgraded and RAM added here and there, but essentially they&#039;re still the same. Some run Win2K (there&#039;s something that hit a sweet spot and only got worse thereafter) while others run up-to-date Ubuntu or Debian. Whichever, they&#039;re perfectly usable for web browsing, document editing, email, and even development.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not claiming my daily workhorse laptop is quite such an antique, but it must be a couple of years old and I have no urge to upgrade it yet.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I have several PCs around the house in daily use that are at least 8 years old. Drives may have been upgraded and RAM added here and there, but essentially they&#8217;re still the same. Some run Win2K (there&#8217;s something that hit a sweet spot and only got worse thereafter) while others run up-to-date Ubuntu or Debian. Whichever, they&#8217;re perfectly usable for web browsing, document editing, email, and even development.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not claiming my daily workhorse laptop is quite such an antique, but it must be a couple of years old and I have no urge to upgrade it yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Upgrades vs&#160;Antiques &#124; Urban Mainframe</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2008/10/19/upgrades-versus-antiques/comment-page-1#comment-373088</link>
		<dc:creator>Upgrades vs&#160;Antiques &#124; Urban Mainframe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] &#8216;I want to buy “the” quintessential Apple product and cherish it for years.&#8217; Beyond ... [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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