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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2008/05/18/markdown-oh-the-humanity/comment-page-1#comment-431567</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m new to the markdown languages, and must say there are a plethora of them. Can I ask if you guys are still using markdown or whether you&#039;ve switched to something else? Also, what think ye of multimarkdown and Pandoc?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My constant hassle with markdown is it&#039;s inability to align images, or am I missing something?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I totally agree that tags inhibit creative writing. I can hand code HTML/CSS, but I can&#039;t write anything decent whilst doing it. The other major pain with tags is that the flow of your original document is crap. Markdown leaves you with a readable document.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My only difficulty is that I want to take things one step further and use it for all my writing needs. Markdown hasn&#039;t seen any development in a while and the missing image manipulation is an issue for me, especially as most blogs contain images.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have some 3000 pages of MS Word documents that I need to find another format for so if anyone things any of these markup languages are up to it it would be great to hear.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;sorry for writing so much!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m new to the markdown languages, and must say there are a plethora of them. Can I ask if you guys are still using markdown or whether you&#8217;ve switched to something else? Also, what think ye of multimarkdown and Pandoc?</p>
<p>My constant hassle with markdown is it&#8217;s inability to align images, or am I missing something?</p>
<p>I totally agree that tags inhibit creative writing. I can hand code HTML/CSS, but I can&#8217;t write anything decent whilst doing it. The other major pain with tags is that the flow of your original document is crap. Markdown leaves you with a readable document.</p>
<p>My only difficulty is that I want to take things one step further and use it for all my writing needs. Markdown hasn&#8217;t seen any development in a while and the missing image manipulation is an issue for me, especially as most blogs contain images.</p>
<p>I have some 3000 pages of MS Word documents that I need to find another format for so if anyone things any of these markup languages are up to it it would be great to hear.</p>
<p>sorry for writing so much!</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Kern</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2008/05/18/markdown-oh-the-humanity/comment-page-1#comment-407688</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Kern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you wish you could write books in markdown, checkout pandoc. It&#039;s a Markdown to html,latex,pdf,etc,etc. converter written in haskell.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you wish you could write books in markdown, checkout pandoc. It&#8217;s a Markdown to html,latex,pdf,etc,etc. converter written in haskell.</p>
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		<title>By: jr</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2008/05/18/markdown-oh-the-humanity/comment-page-1#comment-359719</link>
		<dc:creator>jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Meh. I use HTML because that&#039;s my preferred syntax of choice. I have a vested interest in using it because I don&#039;t want to learn a &quot;simpler&quot; form that requires me learning something different, solely because it&#039;s different and therefore involves learning.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s not to say that Markdown, WikiScript, LaTEX, or using in-lined emacs command syntax is any more or less valid than HTML or whatever other syntax someone else has a vested interest in using.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The only thing that matters is whether or not the output of said syntax methodology is readable with zero effort on my part. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(Heck, you could code this using straight MIME encoded UNICODE variables for all I care at that point.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meh. I use HTML because that&#8217;s my preferred syntax of choice. I have a vested interest in using it because I don&#8217;t want to learn a &#8220;simpler&#8221; form that requires me learning something different, solely because it&#8217;s different and therefore involves learning.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say that Markdown, WikiScript, LaTEX, or using in-lined emacs command syntax is any more or less valid than HTML or whatever other syntax someone else has a vested interest in using.</p>
<p>The only thing that matters is whether or not the output of said syntax methodology is readable with zero effort on my part. </p>
<p>(Heck, you could code this using straight MIME encoded UNICODE variables for all I care at that point.)</p>
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		<title>By: l.m.orchard</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2008/05/18/markdown-oh-the-humanity/comment-page-1#comment-359712</link>
		<dc:creator>l.m.orchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@gavin:  Markdown&#039;s not a template engine, it&#039;s like wiki text or &quot;smart ASCII&quot;  It&#039;s a set of rules allowing users to write in plain text that later gets converted to HTML.  No logic or variables or control structures involved.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@gavin:  Markdown&#8217;s not a template engine, it&#8217;s like wiki text or &#8220;smart ASCII&#8221;  It&#8217;s a set of rules allowing users to write in plain text that later gets converted to HTML.  No logic or variables or control structures involved.</p>
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		<title>By: gavin</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2008/05/18/markdown-oh-the-humanity/comment-page-1#comment-359635</link>
		<dc:creator>gavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Doesn&#039;t markdown lack necessary things for being a template engine? (similar to Smarty)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I mean, &lt;code&gt;${some_variable}&lt;/code&gt; to echo a variable, and &lt;code&gt;if/else&lt;/code&gt;, and &lt;code&gt;foreach&lt;/code&gt; an array?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Or, do you just use something like PHP&#039;s  and use PHP&#039;s if/else/foreach?  Or Ruby or Python, etc, I mean.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t markdown lack necessary things for being a template engine? (similar to Smarty)</p>
<p>I mean, <code>${some_variable}</code> to echo a variable, and <code>if/else</code>, and <code>foreach</code> an array?</p>
<p>Or, do you just use something like PHP&#8217;s  and use PHP&#8217;s if/else/foreach?  Or Ruby or Python, etc, I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Aristotle Pagaltzis</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2008/05/18/markdown-oh-the-humanity/comment-page-1#comment-354539</link>
		<dc:creator>Aristotle Pagaltzis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 09:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Of course, if you put the URL in angle brackets, Markdown will refrain from touching it at all. Likewise for file- and variable names in backticks. That said, John Gruber has repeatedly said that he considers the underscore issue a bug, and the next release will fix this so internal underscores inside words will not trigger emphasis markup.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So that particular issue, pain in the bottom as it can on rare occasions be, is easy to work around now and will completely vanish in the future.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, if you put the URL in angle brackets, Markdown will refrain from touching it at all. Likewise for file- and variable names in backticks. That said, John Gruber has repeatedly said that he considers the underscore issue a bug, and the next release will fix this so internal underscores inside words will not trigger emphasis markup.</p>
<p>So that particular issue, pain in the bottom as it can on rare occasions be, is easy to work around now and will completely vanish in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: n0wak</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2008/05/18/markdown-oh-the-humanity/comment-page-1#comment-354411</link>
		<dc:creator>n0wak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 19:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I dunno, I&#039;m not a fan. By using underscores and brackets, instead of full tags, it has a tendency to break down a lot. Which has, thusly, prompted http://fuckingmarkdown.com/ in frustration.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s too clunky and requires as much user involvement to get it working 100% of the time as simple HTML or BBCode. Nothing more frustrating than posting a URL with an underscore in it and having markdown convert those underscores into italics, breaking the whole damned thing.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno, I&#8217;m not a fan. By using underscores and brackets, instead of full tags, it has a tendency to break down a lot. Which has, thusly, prompted <a href="http://fuckingmarkdown.com/" rel="nofollow">http://fuckingmarkdown.com/</a> in frustration.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too clunky and requires as much user involvement to get it working 100% of the time as simple HTML or BBCode. Nothing more frustrating than posting a URL with an underscore in it and having markdown convert those underscores into italics, breaking the whole damned thing.</p>
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		<title>By: [XILED] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Markdown</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2008/05/18/markdown-oh-the-humanity/comment-page-1#comment-354230</link>
		<dc:creator>[XILED] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Markdown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 22:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] to mention losing your flow due to the &#8220;coding/prosing thrash&#8221; as l.m.orchard discusses here. If you read the philosophy behind markdown you will see that markdown was designed just for this [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to mention losing your flow due to the &#8220;coding/prosing thrash&#8221; as l.m.orchard discusses here. If you read the philosophy behind markdown you will see that markdown was designed just for this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Juan on programming &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Emacs, muse and htmlize</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2008/05/18/markdown-oh-the-humanity/comment-page-1#comment-353820</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan on programming &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Emacs, muse and htmlize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 07:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] I found that what I wanted to say was along similar lines to this guy, but he said it much more [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I found that what I wanted to say was along similar lines to this guy, but he said it much more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Dash</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2008/05/18/markdown-oh-the-humanity/comment-page-1#comment-353736</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Dash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I use Markdown everywhere as well.  I am not sure about the technical arguments against it, but personally, it does a lot less damage than wysiwyg.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In fact, it&#039;s nice in that it gives you control without sacrificing readability.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use Markdown everywhere as well.  I am not sure about the technical arguments against it, but personally, it does a lot less damage than wysiwyg.</p>
<p>In fact, it&#8217;s nice in that it gives you control without sacrificing readability.</p>
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		<title>By: [XILED] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-05-19</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2008/05/18/markdown-oh-the-humanity/comment-page-1#comment-353609</link>
		<dc:creator>[XILED] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-05-19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 04:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] 0xDECAFBAD » Markdown, Oh the Humanity I don’t see where Jeff Atwood’s “Is HTML a Humane Markup Language?” makes the case for HTML as humane. (tags: markdown) [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 0xDECAFBAD » Markdown, Oh the Humanity I don’t see where Jeff Atwood’s “Is HTML a Humane Markup Language?” makes the case for HTML as humane. (tags: markdown) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: megalar</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2008/05/18/markdown-oh-the-humanity/comment-page-1#comment-353572</link>
		<dc:creator>megalar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 22:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I couldn&#039;t agree more on this dude. As for people like Jeff Atwood... well, pffft. I grow tired of the &quot;real programmers&quot; do this or that mentality and while I&#039;m a regular reader of Coding Horror, I hear alot of that garbage there. Fortunately I have excellent noise filters for my idea factory so it doesn&#039;t make much of an impression. 
peace.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more on this dude. As for people like Jeff Atwood&#8230; well, pffft. I grow tired of the &#8220;real programmers&#8221; do this or that mentality and while I&#8217;m a regular reader of Coding Horror, I hear alot of that garbage there. Fortunately I have excellent noise filters for my idea factory so it doesn&#8217;t make much of an impression.<br />
peace.</p>
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