Comments on: More on S3AjaxWiki http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki It's all spinning wheels and self-doubt until the first pot of coffee. Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:23:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0-alpha By: Laurent http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki/comment-page-1#comment-10380 Laurent Fri, 28 Apr 2006 23:09:13 +0000 http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki#comment-10380 <p>Hi, I'd like to search my documents stored in my s3 account. It seems like Amazon doesn't provide a search API. But maybe we could add this functionality. Any idea if somebody is already working on this? Laurent. Palo Alto, CA</p> Hi,
I’d like to search my documents stored in my s3 account.
It seems like Amazon doesn’t provide a search API.
But maybe we could add this functionality.
Any idea if somebody is already working on this?
Laurent.
Palo Alto, CA

]]> By: Amazon S3 Based Wiki at Zibblog http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki/comment-page-1#comment-10276 Amazon S3 Based Wiki at Zibblog Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:52:59 +0000 http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki#comment-10276 <p>[...] I was wandering the web before starting my real work this morning and I noticed that someone is working on a Wiki using Amazon S3. It seems like an interesting project with some interesting ideas inherent in it. The whole idea of doing remote content for an application is kind of crazy in some ways when it feels like we’ve all spent a lot of time at some point on caching mechanism and such to avoid taking a performance hit by going to the database which should be a lot more trivial than hitting S3. However, I think that it’s a kind of interesting proof of concept. In some ways, the whole idea of a mashup leverages the idea of using another web application to do something so that you don’t have to. Most of the applications of this that we’ve seen so far involve things like mapping that are overly complex to reinvent for every application on the web, but as everything gets faster and building applications becomes more about mixing and matching building blocks, it doesn’t seem crazy to swap out your own filesystem for a distributed one. Especially if there was a good interface layer. [...]</p> [...] I was wandering the web before starting my real work this morning and I noticed that someone is working on a Wiki using Amazon S3. It seems like an interesting project with some interesting ideas inherent in it. The whole idea of doing remote content for an application is kind of crazy in some ways when it feels like we’ve all spent a lot of time at some point on caching mechanism and such to avoid taking a performance hit by going to the database which should be a lot more trivial than hitting S3. However, I think that it’s a kind of interesting proof of concept. In some ways, the whole idea of a mashup leverages the idea of using another web application to do something so that you don’t have to. Most of the applications of this that we’ve seen so far involve things like mapping that are overly complex to reinvent for every application on the web, but as everything gets faster and building applications becomes more about mixing and matching building blocks, it doesn’t seem crazy to swap out your own filesystem for a distributed one. Especially if there was a good interface layer. [...]

]]> By: l.m.orchard http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki/comment-page-1#comment-10242 l.m.orchard Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:34:48 +0000 http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki#comment-10242 <p>Bill: It looks like the new Gdata API is basically the Atom Publishing Protocol. I'd like to target that API sometime soon, too. I think Ning's got it implemented as well. Although, at Google, I think the only implementation of Gdata so far is for the new Google Calendar - that is, I haven't seen any Gdrive service launched yet as a generic service offering storage via Gdata to compete with S3.</p> Bill: It looks like the new Gdata API is basically the Atom Publishing Protocol. I’d like to target that API sometime soon, too. I think Ning’s got it implemented as well. Although, at Google, I think the only implementation of Gdata so far is for the new Google Calendar – that is, I haven’t seen any Gdrive service launched yet as a generic service offering storage via Gdata to compete with S3.

]]> By: Bill Seitz http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki/comment-page-1#comment-10221 Bill Seitz Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:34:45 +0000 http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki#comment-10221 <p>Is the new Google Data API a possible alternative?</p> Is the new Google Data API a possible alternative?

]]> By: l.m.orchard http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki/comment-page-1#comment-10217 l.m.orchard Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:00:45 +0000 http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki#comment-10217 <p>Bob: Alas, no. The best I can come up with is to maybe run a string containing a document fragment through an XML parser, scoop up the resulting nodes, and transplant them into the page DOM. I haven't tried that yet, but the idea smells awfully bad to me.</p> <p>innerHTML isn't really that evil, really. :)</p> Bob: Alas, no. The best I can come up with is to maybe run a string containing a document fragment through an XML parser, scoop up the resulting nodes, and transplant them into the page DOM. I haven’t tried that yet, but the idea smells awfully bad to me.

innerHTML isn’t really that evil, really. :)

]]> By: Bob Aman http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki/comment-page-1#comment-10215 Bob Aman Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:37:00 +0000 http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki#comment-10215 <p>Are there any alternatives out there to innerHTML that are just as easy-to-use, but that actually make use of the standard DOM methods instead? (Please say yes.)</p> Are there any alternatives out there to innerHTML that are just as easy-to-use, but that actually make use of the standard DOM methods instead? (Please say yes.)

]]> By: Yoz http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki/comment-page-1#comment-10206 Yoz Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:26:40 +0000 http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki#comment-10206 <p>Okay, I know I keep telling you to check out Ning, but with <a href="http://blog.ning.com/2006/04/the_hottest_api_on_the_interne.html" rel="nofollow">the new API stuff we released last week</a> you <em>really really</em> need to check out Ning. It meshes remarkbly well with what you're looking for.</p> <p>The new API is fully read-write, based on REST and the Atom Publishing Protocol. Other advantages over S3:</p> <ul> <li>Each app has 1GB of public object space and 100MB of private space. Each user can own up to 10 apps for free. Just register, clone an app (or make one from scratch) and you're off.</li> <li>With S3 the objects you read and store are flat data - with Ning, they're structured objects...</li> <li>... and since they're structured, you can issue GET requests that are more like database queries than simple object fetches (<a href="http://restdemos.ning.com/feeds.php" rel="nofollow">some examples</a>)...</li> <li>... which return properly-formed Atom feeds, which you can then run through BadgerFish. (it's how our <a href="http://restdemos.ning.com/embedfeed.php" rel="nofollow">demo widgets</a> work)</li> </ul> <p>That's not to say that S3 doesn't have it's own advantages: it's much better for large (GBs), expandable storage, five-nines high availability and BitTorrent. But the uses to which I'm currently seeing it put - such as your work, and the Greasemonkey ideas - fit Ning very well indeed.</p> Okay, I know I keep telling you to check out Ning, but with the new API stuff we released last week you really really need to check out Ning. It meshes remarkbly well with what you’re looking for.

The new API is fully read-write, based on REST and the Atom Publishing Protocol. Other advantages over S3:

  • Each app has 1GB of public object space and 100MB of private space. Each user can own up to 10 apps for free. Just register, clone an app (or make one from scratch) and you’re off.
  • With S3 the objects you read and store are flat data – with Ning, they’re structured objects…
  • … and since they’re structured, you can issue GET requests that are more like database queries than simple object fetches (some examples)…
  • … which return properly-formed Atom feeds, which you can then run through BadgerFish. (it’s how our demo widgets work)

That’s not to say that S3 doesn’t have it’s own advantages: it’s much better for large (GBs), expandable storage, five-nines high availability and BitTorrent. But the uses to which I’m currently seeing it put – such as your work, and the Greasemonkey ideas – fit Ning very well indeed.

]]> By: Stefan Gössner http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki/comment-page-1#comment-10198 Stefan Gössner Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:38:20 +0000 http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki#comment-10198 <p>This is a very impressive web application foreshadowing the high potential of online storages.</p> <p>I like the way, how you reuse and extend Wiky.</p> This is a very impressive web application foreshadowing the high potential of online storages.

I like the way, how you reuse and extend Wiky.

]]> By: l.m.orchard http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki/comment-page-1#comment-10197 l.m.orchard Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:43:44 +0000 http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki#comment-10197 <p>Bill: Well, mostly because that code was an attempt to recreate Mochikit's DOM construction code apart from all the other facilities it uses to build functions with partially applied argument lists & etc. I hadn't actually heard of DOM Builder when I first wrote that stuff. I'll probably swap my code out for that at some point.</p> Bill: Well, mostly because that code was an attempt to recreate Mochikit’s DOM construction code apart from all the other facilities it uses to build functions with partially applied argument lists & etc. I hadn’t actually heard of DOM Builder when I first wrote that stuff. I’ll probably swap my code out for that at some point.

]]> By: Ajaxian » S3 Javascript Bindings http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki/comment-page-1#comment-10196 Ajaxian » S3 Javascript Bindings Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:39:38 +0000 http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki#comment-10196 <p>[...] There’s already a nice demo app: S3 Ajax Wiki. In this case, the app loads from S3 itself, which is also possible in certain situations: Of course, since my demo wiki is sitting in an S3 bucket with a public-write ACL, everything’s open to vandalism and subversion (of the bad variety)- documents and application both. S3Ajax does allow authentication through your S3 credentials, though, so a private group with restrictive S3 ACLs could use this wiki successfully. [...]</p> [...] There’s already a nice demo app: S3 Ajax Wiki. In this case, the app loads from S3 itself, which is also possible in certain situations: Of course, since my demo wiki is sitting in an S3 bucket with a public-write ACL, everything’s open to vandalism and subversion (of the bad variety)- documents and application both. S3Ajax does allow authentication through your S3 credentials, though, so a private group with restrictive S3 ACLs could use this wiki successfully. [...]

]]> By: Bill Humphries http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki/comment-page-1#comment-10188 Bill Humphries Mon, 24 Apr 2006 06:18:51 +0000 http://decafbad.com/blog/2006/04/23/more-on-s3ajaxwiki#comment-10188 <p>Why did you break down DOM Builder into two functions and an initialization call?</p> Why did you break down DOM Builder into two functions and an initialization call?

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