Comments on: In-browser XOXO Outliner Experiment http://decafbad.com/blog/2005/07/12/xoxo-outliner-experiment It's all spinning wheels and self-doubt until the first pot of coffee. Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:10:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7-hemorrhage hourly 1 By: 0xDECAFBAD » Greatest Hits Vol. 1, the Tinkery Bits http://decafbad.com/blog/2005/07/12/xoxo-outliner-experiment#comment-348848 0xDECAFBAD » Greatest Hits Vol. 1, the Tinkery Bits Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:55:44 +0000 http://www.decafbad.com/blog/?p=667#comment-348848 <p>[...] In-browser XOXO Outliner Experiment Early experiments in microformat-based outlining. [...]</p> [...] In-browser XOXO Outliner Experiment Early experiments in microformat-based outlining. [...]

]]> By: Kelvin Tan - Lucene Nutch Consulting http://decafbad.com/blog/2005/07/12/xoxo-outliner-experiment#comment-183296 Kelvin Tan - Lucene Nutch Consulting Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:54:59 +0000 http://www.decafbad.com/blog/?p=667#comment-183296 <p>[...] (Via 0xDECAFBAD In-browser XOXO Outliner Experiment) [...]</p> [...] (Via 0xDECAFBAD In-browser XOXO Outliner Experiment) [...]

]]> By: Danny Ayers, Raw Blog : » Poor Clients http://decafbad.com/blog/2005/07/12/xoxo-outliner-experiment#comment-2839 Danny Ayers, Raw Blog : » Poor Clients Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:28:42 +0000 http://www.decafbad.com/blog/?p=667#comment-2839 <p>[...] Following the recent blather around OPML, and slightly bizzarre claims that (X)HTML lacked tools in comparison, I realised that I could actually do with a very simple outliner tool. I’m blogging link-list kind of posts at least once a week and some kind of minimal WYSIWYG would make it a lot easier. Les Orchard’s done a nifty in-browser outliner, but I could do with a more traditional desktop app, regular save/load, and maybe persisted tabs. It could be really lightweight, all I’d need is XHTML dumbed down to text, nested lists and links (maybe <p> <ol>/<ul> <li> <a>) plus some way of popping in class attributes to allow the full XOXO (and CSS) effect. [...]</p> [...] Following the recent blather around OPML, and slightly bizzarre claims that (X)HTML lacked tools in comparison, I realised that I could actually do with a very simple outliner tool. I’m blogging link-list kind of posts at least once a week and some kind of minimal WYSIWYG would make it a lot easier. Les Orchard’s done a nifty in-browser outliner, but I could do with a more traditional desktop app, regular save/load, and maybe persisted tabs. It could be really lightweight, all I’d need is XHTML dumbed down to text, nested lists and links (maybe <p> <ol>/<ul> <li> <a>) plus some way of popping in class attributes to allow the full XOXO (and CSS) effect. [...]

]]> By: Pete Prodoehl http://decafbad.com/blog/2005/07/12/xoxo-outliner-experiment#comment-1761 Pete Prodoehl Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.decafbad.com/blog/?p=667#comment-1761 <p>Damn that is cool!</p> Damn that is cool!

]]> By: Charlie Wallace http://decafbad.com/blog/2005/07/12/xoxo-outliner-experiment#comment-1762 Charlie Wallace Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.decafbad.com/blog/?p=667#comment-1762 <p>Way cool! Your demo just got mentioned on the TiddlyWikiDev group in Google Groups, under the 'Outlining!' topic.</p> <p>If you're not familiar with TiddlyWiki, you might enjoy a look at www.tiddlywiki.com. It's an all-javascript personal wiki, all in one file. There's an active community producing variations on the original version.</p> <p>And I'd lovvvvve to see an adaptation that would use your outliner!!!!</p> <p>There are some interesting issues with trying to combine heirarchical outlines with non-heirarchical wikis, but seems like it would work if kept inside one wiki page...</p> <p>Also, a question - did you implement a way to add new items to the outline?</p> <p>THanks, Charlie Wallace</p> Way cool! Your demo just got mentioned on the TiddlyWikiDev group in Google Groups, under the 'Outlining!' topic.

If you're not familiar with TiddlyWiki, you might enjoy a look at http://www.tiddlywiki.com. It's an all-javascript personal wiki, all in one file. There's an active community producing variations on the original version.

And I'd lovvvvve to see an adaptation that would use your outliner!!!!

There are some interesting issues with trying to combine heirarchical outlines with non-heirarchical wikis, but seems like it would work if kept inside one wiki page...

Also, a question - did you implement a way to add new items to the outline?

THanks,
Charlie Wallace

]]> By: ryan king http://decafbad.com/blog/2005/07/12/xoxo-outliner-experiment#comment-1763 ryan king Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.decafbad.com/blog/?p=667#comment-1763 <p>Very cool.</p> Very cool.

]]> By: Dean Edwards http://decafbad.com/blog/2005/07/12/xoxo-outliner-experiment#comment-1764 Dean Edwards Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.decafbad.com/blog/?p=667#comment-1764 <p>It depends what you mean by "save" it. But I think the way TiddlyWikki save its state is pretty cool.</p> It depends what you mean by "save" it. But I think the way TiddlyWikki save its state is pretty cool.

]]> By: l.m. orchard http://decafbad.com/blog/2005/07/12/xoxo-outliner-experiment#comment-1765 l.m. orchard Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.decafbad.com/blog/?p=667#comment-1765 <p>Dean: Huh, that's interesting... I vaguely remembered that TiddlyWiki saved changes, but it appears to actually save to the local filesystem. I didn't know that.</p> <p>As for my stuff, though, I've got a slightly more REST/"AJAXy" way in mind.</p> Dean: Huh, that's interesting... I vaguely remembered that TiddlyWiki saved changes, but it appears to actually save to the local filesystem. I didn't know that.

As for my stuff, though, I've got a slightly more REST/"AJAXy" way in mind.

]]> By: Charlie Wallace http://decafbad.com/blog/2005/07/12/xoxo-outliner-experiment#comment-1766 Charlie Wallace Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.decafbad.com/blog/?p=667#comment-1766 <p>To answer my own question above, and add another: There are 2 ways to create a new line. Enter creates one at the same level, and shift-enter creates one that's indented.</p> <p>The new question - any plans to allow more than one line of text in an item? </p> <p>And another: any plans to support "body" text for each line? Or, alternately, if more than one line is entered, the first line could serve as the heading?</p> <p>Usability note: I think you'll need to allow items to be shift-arrow dragged from one containing heading to a different one, I can't seem to do this currently.</p> <p>Nice work!</p> <p>-- Charlie</p> To answer my own question above, and add another:
There are 2 ways to create a new line. Enter creates one at the same level, and shift-enter creates one that's indented.

The new question - any plans to allow more than one line of text in an item?

And another: any plans to support "body" text for each line? Or, alternately, if more than one line is entered, the first line could serve as the heading?

Usability note: I think you'll need to allow items to be shift-arrow dragged from one containing heading to a different one, I can't seem to do this currently.

Nice work!

-- Charlie

]]> By: Bill Seitz http://decafbad.com/blog/2005/07/12/xoxo-outliner-experiment#comment-1767 Bill Seitz Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.decafbad.com/blog/?p=667#comment-1767 <p>Very excellent.</p> <p>(The wrapping of multi-line items isn't ideal.)</p> <p>Have you thought about saving in some smart-ascii/wiki format instead of XOXO? Any tags at all seem like overkill for something that could be expressed as a bullet-list... (you could <em>render</em> to XOXO at appropriate times, just like DaveW renders from OPML to HTML/RSS...)</p> Very excellent.

(The wrapping of multi-line items isn't ideal.)

Have you thought about saving in some smart-ascii/wiki format instead of XOXO? Any tags at all seem like overkill for something that could be expressed as a bullet-list... (you could render to XOXO at appropriate times, just like DaveW renders from OPML to HTML/RSS...)

]]> By: l.m. orchard http://decafbad.com/blog/2005/07/12/xoxo-outliner-experiment#comment-1768 l.m. orchard Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.decafbad.com/blog/?p=667#comment-1768 <p>Bill: Well, what I was thinking is that the machine components (browser and server) would deal in XML/HTML as much as possible. XOXO would be the on-disk storage and transport format for outlines. </p> <p>But, alongside the DHTML/JS editors, I'd like to throw in some filters that speak wiki-text for human convenience in HTML forms.</p> Bill: Well, what I was thinking is that the machine components (browser and server) would deal in XML/HTML as much as possible. XOXO would be the on-disk storage and transport format for outlines.

But, alongside the DHTML/JS editors, I'd like to throw in some filters that speak wiki-text for human convenience in HTML forms.

]]> By: l.m. orchard http://decafbad.com/blog/2005/07/12/xoxo-outliner-experiment#comment-1769 l.m. orchard Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.decafbad.com/blog/?p=667#comment-1769 <p>Oh, and I guess something that might make XML-on-disk make more sense is that I'd like this thing to do more than just outlines. I want to include other microformats and HTML semantics,</p> Oh, and I guess something that might make XML-on-disk make more sense is that I'd like this thing to do more than just outlines. I want to include other microformats and HTML semantics,

]]> By: Dan G http://decafbad.com/blog/2005/07/12/xoxo-outliner-experiment#comment-1770 Dan G Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.decafbad.com/blog/?p=667#comment-1770 <p>Excellent. This is really nice.</p> <p>BTW: If they're interested, you might want to submit this to the Dojo project which, among other things, is trying to build a standard widget set for Javascript. If there was an outliner as part of that library, I bet you'd see it used in a lot more places...</p> Excellent. This is really nice.

BTW: If they're interested, you might want to submit this to the Dojo project which, among other things, is trying to build a standard widget set for Javascript. If there was an outliner as part of that library, I bet you'd see it used in a lot more places...

]]> By: chris holland http://decafbad.com/blog/2005/07/12/xoxo-outliner-experiment#comment-1771 chris holland Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.decafbad.com/blog/?p=667#comment-1771 <p>Very cool!!! :)</p> <p>i'd started a proof of concept like that a while back ( http://homepage.mac.com/ctholland/thelab/outlines/ ) which Kevin Marks linked into the XOXO wiki: http://developers.technorati.com/wiki/XOXO . mine isn't nearly as feature-rich and objected-oriented as yours.</p> <p>congrats, and keep-up the good work!</p> Very cool!!! :)

i'd started a proof of concept like that a while back ( http://homepage.mac.com/ctholland/thelab/outlines/ ) which Kevin Marks linked into the XOXO wiki: http://developers.technorati.com/wiki/XOXO . mine isn't nearly as feature-rich and objected-oriented as yours.

congrats, and keep-up the good work!

]]> By: Aldo Castañeda http://decafbad.com/blog/2005/07/12/xoxo-outliner-experiment#comment-1772 Aldo Castañeda Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.decafbad.com/blog/?p=667#comment-1772 <p>I want to Dave Winer's demo at Berkman last night and asked him for this exact type of functionality. In my opinion, web editable OPML is key to adoption for "regular" users like me.</p> <p>Fantastic work!</p> I want to Dave Winer's demo at Berkman last night and asked him for this exact type of functionality. In my opinion, web editable OPML is key to adoption for "regular" users like me.

Fantastic work!

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