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	<title>Comments on: The right place for data in your feed</title>
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	<description>It's all spinning wheels and self-doubt until the first pot of coffee.</description>
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		<title>By: kellan</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2005/05/05/the-right-place-for-data-in-your-feed/comment-page-1#comment-1637</link>
		<dc:creator>kellan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m a fan of microformats, but this seems so wrong.  microformats are a &quot;worse is better&quot; solution for getting rich data onto the web for people without better tools then a simple CMS.  their useful to large scale aggregators (e.g. pubsub or technorati) who are already maintaining crawlers. (though I think the really promise doesn&#039;t lie with generalist, but domain specific aggregators developed by small affinity groups)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you do have good enough tools to provide the data in a more structured way then by all means &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; it, more elegant, easier to consume, more meaningful, less ambiguous, easier to grok, etc. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;mod_event is &lt;em&gt;much&lt;/em&gt; more useful then hCalendar in the context of feeds, but perhaps its non-obvious because you&#039;re thinking of it from the context of S-to-P (site to person) syndication, but where it comes in very useful is S-to-S (site to site) syndication, the original RSS design goal.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;additionally the joy of XML means you can mix in other namespaces to enrich mod_event&#039;s intentionally limited expressiveness.  in particular we&#039;ve played with mixing in vCard and geo namespaces to get more specific&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;as for your last question, i&#039;ve seen several hundred feeds with mod_event, but i&#039;m kind of odd like that :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a fan of microformats, but this seems so wrong.  microformats are a &#8220;worse is better&#8221; solution for getting rich data onto the web for people without better tools then a simple CMS.  their useful to large scale aggregators (e.g. pubsub or technorati) who are already maintaining crawlers. (though I think the really promise doesn&#8217;t lie with generalist, but domain specific aggregators developed by small affinity groups)</p>
<p>If you do have good enough tools to provide the data in a more structured way then by all means <em>do</em> it, more elegant, easier to consume, more meaningful, less ambiguous, easier to grok, etc. </p>
<p>mod_event is <em>much</em> more useful then hCalendar in the context of feeds, but perhaps its non-obvious because you&#8217;re thinking of it from the context of S-to-P (site to person) syndication, but where it comes in very useful is S-to-S (site to site) syndication, the original RSS design goal.</p>
<p>additionally the joy of XML means you can mix in other namespaces to enrich mod_event&#8217;s intentionally limited expressiveness.  in particular we&#8217;ve played with mixing in vCard and geo namespaces to get more specific</p>
<p>as for your last question, i&#8217;ve seen several hundred feeds with mod_event, but i&#8217;m kind of odd like that :)</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Pearson</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2005/05/05/the-right-place-for-data-in-your-feed/comment-page-1#comment-1638</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Pearson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Exactly -- from the perspective of trying to maximize usefulness, it&#039;s great to put your &quot;semantic markup&quot; in both the feed and the data.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It depends on your target market, of course... if nobody will ever scrape your site but you have an aggregator of calendar events watching your feed like a hawk, then the feed is most important.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But if you&#039;re just kicking off a new market, you might as well do it in a way that makes the most sense for the future...which is what this seems to be.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly &#8212; from the perspective of trying to maximize usefulness, it&#8217;s great to put your &#8220;semantic markup&#8221; in both the feed and the data.</p>
<p>It depends on your target market, of course&#8230; if nobody will ever scrape your site but you have an aggregator of calendar events watching your feed like a hawk, then the feed is most important.</p>
<p>But if you&#8217;re just kicking off a new market, you might as well do it in a way that makes the most sense for the future&#8230;which is what this seems to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Tantek</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2005/05/05/the-right-place-for-data-in-your-feed/comment-page-1#comment-1639</link>
		<dc:creator>Tantek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You&#039;ve made an excellent observation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Does one have to request permission from the envelope makers before one writes a letter in a different way? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Does it make sense to ask everyone to write envelopes differently just because you&#039;ve figured out a new way to write letters or new things to put in your letters?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Does it make sense to feel obligated to duplicate the information in your letter on the envelope as well?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course not.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In many ways, feeds are nothing more than another medium for passing messages, and just as there was no need to change nor extend TCP/IP to handle HTTP or HTML for that matter, there is no need to change RSS/Atom to handle new types of content which are well described by portable microformats.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Tantek&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;P.S. I can&#039;t believe anyone used the word &quot;joy&quot; and &quot;namespaces&quot; in the same sentence (other than to make that observation).  :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve made an excellent observation.</p>
<p>Does one have to request permission from the envelope makers before one writes a letter in a different way? </p>
<p>Does it make sense to ask everyone to write envelopes differently just because you&#8217;ve figured out a new way to write letters or new things to put in your letters?</p>
<p>Does it make sense to feel obligated to duplicate the information in your letter on the envelope as well?</p>
<p>Of course not.</p>
<p>In many ways, feeds are nothing more than another medium for passing messages, and just as there was no need to change nor extend TCP/IP to handle HTTP or HTML for that matter, there is no need to change RSS/Atom to handle new types of content which are well described by portable microformats.</p>
<p>Tantek</p>
<p>P.S. I can&#8217;t believe anyone used the word &#8220;joy&#8221; and &#8220;namespaces&#8221; in the same sentence (other than to make that observation).  :)</p>
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