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	<title>Comments on: Bootstrapping out into open space</title>
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	<description>It's all spinning wheels and self-doubt until the first pot of coffee.</description>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2004/09/20/bootstrapping-out-into-open-space/comment-page-1#comment-1344</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I generally find that I just hack projects without thinking it through, so it could just be a lack of forethought. ;)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;mind you, I haven&#039;t put up a Flickr, a del.icio.us, or similar -- but IIRC the HotOrNot guys had pretty much that style at the start, and had to retrofit a way to get paid on, afterwards.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I generally find that I just hack projects without thinking it through, so it could just be a lack of forethought. ;)</p>
<p>mind you, I haven&#8217;t put up a Flickr, a del.icio.us, or similar &#8212; but IIRC the HotOrNot guys had pretty much that style at the start, and had to retrofit a way to get paid on, afterwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Prodoehl</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2004/09/20/bootstrapping-out-into-open-space/comment-page-1#comment-1345</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Prodoehl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;But, see, I haven’t a clue about business. I just like to cultivate nifty ideas...&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hitting the nail on the head with that bit - my problem exactly! How does a mad [computer] scientist with no business sense get around? We need partners perhaps?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But, see, I haven’t a clue about business. I just like to cultivate nifty ideas&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Hitting the nail on the head with that bit &#8211; my problem exactly! How does a mad [computer] scientist with no business sense get around? We need partners perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: Carter</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2004/09/20/bootstrapping-out-into-open-space/comment-page-1#comment-1346</link>
		<dc:creator>Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The odds are that FeedReactor won&#039;t be a viable business...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.gapingvoid.com/Moveable_Type/archives/000991.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;...unless is specifically solves a difficult (hard) problem that existing services (Bloglines, etc) don&#039;t and won&#039;t soon.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Still, very cool work.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The odds are that FeedReactor won&#8217;t be a viable business&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gapingvoid.com/Moveable_Type/archives/000991.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.gapingvoid.com/Moveable_Type/archives/000991.html</a></p>
<p>&#8230;unless is specifically solves a difficult (hard) problem that existing services (Bloglines, etc) don&#8217;t and won&#8217;t soon.</p>
<p>Still, very cool work.</p>
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		<title>By: l.m. orchard</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2004/09/20/bootstrapping-out-into-open-space/comment-page-1#comment-1347</link>
		<dc:creator>l.m. orchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Carter: Good thing I&#039;ve still got a day job, then!  And, thanks for the compliment on the work.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Very true about the hard problem, though.  I do tend to think, whether correctly or not, that some of the things I want to do with FeedReactor will be solutions to some interesting problems..  but that depends upon a) whether I&#039;m not just full of it, and b) whether I&#039;ll have the time to take it where it needs to go.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(Strangely enough, I love discovering when I&#039;m full of it.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carter: Good thing I&#8217;ve still got a day job, then!  And, thanks for the compliment on the work.</p>
<p>Very true about the hard problem, though.  I do tend to think, whether correctly or not, that some of the things I want to do with FeedReactor will be solutions to some interesting problems..  but that depends upon a) whether I&#8217;m not just full of it, and b) whether I&#8217;ll have the time to take it where it needs to go.</p>
<p>(Strangely enough, I love discovering when I&#8217;m full of it.)</p>
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		<title>By: kellan</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2004/09/20/bootstrapping-out-into-open-space/comment-page-1#comment-1348</link>
		<dc:creator>kellan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It doesn&#039;t help you figure out a concrete business model, but one piece of the puzzle is its gotten a &lt;em&gt;lot&lt;/em&gt; cheaper lately to build a web start up.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The hardware is cheaper, the software is cheaper, the bandwidth is cheaper, and the tools are better.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But even more important we saw some of the largest banks in the world pour a not inconsiderable portion of their wealth for a few years into creating an educated class of both developers and users.  Having participated in several dotcoms I can look back and point to the VCs for creating a huge number of the challenges we faced.  But they also gave me a hell of a financial aid package for the best possible education in web development a person could hope for.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t help you figure out a concrete business model, but one piece of the puzzle is its gotten a <em>lot</em> cheaper lately to build a web start up.</p>
<p>The hardware is cheaper, the software is cheaper, the bandwidth is cheaper, and the tools are better.  </p>
<p>But even more important we saw some of the largest banks in the world pour a not inconsiderable portion of their wealth for a few years into creating an educated class of both developers and users.  Having participated in several dotcoms I can look back and point to the VCs for creating a huge number of the challenges we faced.  But they also gave me a hell of a financial aid package for the best possible education in web development a person could hope for.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Prodoehl</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2004/09/20/bootstrapping-out-into-open-space/comment-page-1#comment-1349</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Prodoehl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Casrter sez: &quot;The odds are that FeedReactor won’t be a viable business…&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ah, but what if FeedReactor were available to the Enterprise, internally managed, in a private and secure way? Any value there? I mean, I still can&#039;t believe companies allow employees to use AIM instead of just throwing a Jabber server in place. (Oh, wait til Tiger for that one...)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway, there probably is a business model, I just can&#039;t see it, but then I&#039;m just anothr hacker with little business sense.... sigh...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Casrter sez: &#8220;The odds are that FeedReactor won’t be a viable business…&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, but what if FeedReactor were available to the Enterprise, internally managed, in a private and secure way? Any value there? I mean, I still can&#8217;t believe companies allow employees to use AIM instead of just throwing a Jabber server in place. (Oh, wait til Tiger for that one&#8230;)</p>
<p>Anyway, there probably is a business model, I just can&#8217;t see it, but then I&#8217;m just anothr hacker with little business sense&#8230;. sigh&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Adina Levin</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2004/09/20/bootstrapping-out-into-open-space/comment-page-1#comment-1350</link>
		<dc:creator>Adina Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t think it&#039;s that complicated. You have a business when you make something that someone else wants. Bloglines makes something that lots of people want -- there&#039;s probably some way to make money from it, whether it&#039;s through advertising or selling some add-on service.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Feed processors aren&#039;t for ordinary people, they are something that services like Bloglines want, or corporate IT groups want. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are two ways to make money in this second category.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) Get a business partner, and develop something that can be sold to software and services companies.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2) Develop a superb open source toolkit, and make money from customizing it. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The fact that feed processors will eventually be a part of Bloglines etc. is a plus, because organizations make build-buy decisions. If there&#039;s a component that&#039;s good, the bigger company may buy, license, or hire.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s that complicated. You have a business when you make something that someone else wants. Bloglines makes something that lots of people want &#8212; there&#8217;s probably some way to make money from it, whether it&#8217;s through advertising or selling some add-on service.</p>
<p>Feed processors aren&#8217;t for ordinary people, they are something that services like Bloglines want, or corporate IT groups want. </p>
<p>There are two ways to make money in this second category.</p>
<p>1) Get a business partner, and develop something that can be sold to software and services companies.</p>
<p>2) Develop a superb open source toolkit, and make money from customizing it. </p>
<p>The fact that feed processors will eventually be a part of Bloglines etc. is a plus, because organizations make build-buy decisions. If there&#8217;s a component that&#8217;s good, the bigger company may buy, license, or hire.</p>
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