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	<title>Comments on: Info Freako, or who&#8217;s already past arguing about syndication formats?</title>
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		<title>By: Fazal Majid</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2004/06/14/info-freako-or-whos-already-past-arguing-about-syndication-formats#comment-1232</link>
		<dc:creator>Fazal Majid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am trying to do this with my own home-made aggregator (www.temboz.com).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have serious doubts about software that could automatically determine whether an article is interesting or not, and would settle for a way to suppress duplicates as a meme propagates through the blogosphere, e.g. by finding posts that link to the same URLs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I did implement a simplistic kill-file style filtering system, that works reasonably well, no false positives and 204 out of 1701 items in the last 7 days caught.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am trying to do this with my own home-made aggregator (www.temboz.com).</p>
<p>I have serious doubts about software that could automatically determine whether an article is interesting or not, and would settle for a way to suppress duplicates as a meme propagates through the blogosphere, e.g. by finding posts that link to the same URLs.</p>
<p>I did implement a simplistic kill-file style filtering system, that works reasonably well, no false positives and 204 out of 1701 items in the last 7 days caught.</p>
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		<title>By: Olav</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2004/06/14/info-freako-or-whos-already-past-arguing-about-syndication-formats#comment-1233</link>
		<dc:creator>Olav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Anyone who subscribes to so many feeds has a mental illness. Like some kind of obsessive compulsive disorder. I bet they record all the channels on T.V. in case they miss something. I bet they don't throw away any newspapers either. I subscribe to about 144 feeds but that is only because I am testing an app. Most of it is garbage.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who subscribes to so many feeds has a mental illness. Like some kind of obsessive compulsive disorder. I bet they record all the channels on T.V. in case they miss something. I bet they don&#8217;t throw away any newspapers either. I subscribe to about 144 feeds but that is only because I am testing an app. Most of it is garbage.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Linden</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2004/06/14/info-freako-or-whos-already-past-arguing-about-syndication-formats#comment-1234</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Linden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You might check out Findory Blogory (http://blogory.com).  It's a personalized weblog reader that learns from the weblog articles you read and recommends other articles that appear to match your interests.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It's not a Bayesean filter like SpamBayes, but it does "guess which new headlines you're most likely to read."  It is "automatic filtering of items and recommendations based on past behavior."  You don't have to manually construct filters or "tell the computer what you want."  Findory Blogory will "ride shotgun, watch and learn."&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Take a look.  I'd love to hear your thoughts.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might check out Findory Blogory (http://blogory.com).  It&#8217;s a personalized weblog reader that learns from the weblog articles you read and recommends other articles that appear to match your interests.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a Bayesean filter like SpamBayes, but it does &#8220;guess which new headlines you&#8217;re most likely to read.&#8221;  It is &#8220;automatic filtering of items and recommendations based on past behavior.&#8221;  You don&#8217;t have to manually construct filters or &#8220;tell the computer what you want.&#8221;  Findory Blogory will &#8220;ride shotgun, watch and learn.&#8221;</p>
<p>Take a look.  I&#8217;d love to hear your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: l.m.orchard</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2004/06/14/info-freako-or-whos-already-past-arguing-about-syndication-formats#comment-1235</link>
		<dc:creator>l.m.orchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Olav: See, for me, it isn't so much a compulsion as a challenge.  I don't read through my aggregator all day - I spend about an hour per day at lunch and maybe another at home skimming through items and maybe another hour or so reading longer stories.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This isn't handwashing OCD behavior here - I don't read or even linger on more than a small fraction of what ends up on the screen.  It's a lot of quick glancing, page-down, and mass delete.  It's pretty much as much time as I used to spend just between a half-dozen sites like slashdot.org and cnet.com, only now my sources are so much more varied.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The challenge is that wanting to squeeze more coverage of more sources into my daily browsing has me wanting to learn more about certain technologies.  That, and just dealing with more volumes of data is kinda fun in a geeky sort of way.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And, no, I don't record all the channels on the TV.  Besides watching 1 or 2 shows, and playing a few video games, this is what I do instead of sitting in front of the tube.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Olav: See, for me, it isn&#8217;t so much a compulsion as a challenge.  I don&#8217;t read through my aggregator all day - I spend about an hour per day at lunch and maybe another at home skimming through items and maybe another hour or so reading longer stories.  </p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t handwashing OCD behavior here - I don&#8217;t read or even linger on more than a small fraction of what ends up on the screen.  It&#8217;s a lot of quick glancing, page-down, and mass delete.  It&#8217;s pretty much as much time as I used to spend just between a half-dozen sites like slashdot.org and cnet.com, only now my sources are so much more varied.</p>
<p>The challenge is that wanting to squeeze more coverage of more sources into my daily browsing has me wanting to learn more about certain technologies.  That, and just dealing with more volumes of data is kinda fun in a geeky sort of way.</p>
<p>And, no, I don&#8217;t record all the channels on the TV.  Besides watching 1 or 2 shows, and playing a few video games, this is what I do instead of sitting in front of the tube.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2004/06/14/info-freako-or-whos-already-past-arguing-about-syndication-formats#comment-1236</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When I wrote that story I wasn't expecting people to jump into a fight about RSS vs Atom. Should have known better. I just didn't like the original story and wanted to rant about it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oh well you learn something new everyday.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I wrote that story I wasn&#8217;t expecting people to jump into a fight about RSS vs Atom. Should have known better. I just didn&#8217;t like the original story and wanted to rant about it.</p>
<p>Oh well you learn something new everyday.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Bicking</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2004/06/14/info-freako-or-whos-already-past-arguing-about-syndication-formats#comment-1237</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Bicking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You might want to look at Reverend: http://www.divmod.org/Home/Projects/Reverend/&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It's a general-purpose Bayesian classifier.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to look at Reverend: <a href="http://www.divmod.org/Home/Projects/Reverend/" rel="nofollow">http://www.divmod.org/Home/Projects/Reverend/</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a general-purpose Bayesian classifier.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Quillio</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2004/06/14/info-freako-or-whos-already-past-arguing-about-syndication-formats#comment-1238</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou Quillio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There&#8217;s what we&#8217;d like to scan and what we&#8217;d like to read, yes?  Moving content to the must-read front burner will always be deliberate, but improving the content we scan can probably be improved mechanically.  I doubt Brother Orchard thinks there&#8217;s an algorithm for the A-list.  We&#8217;re just talking about making more productive use of the proximate cloud.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Scenario #1:  You Google for topics of interest.  The hits returned can&#8217;t be reliably filtered by creation date, and they consider (in general) the entire indexed Web.  It&#8217;s a good thing, if scatter-shot.  Queries can only be refined so much.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Scenario #2:  You amass and manage a list of syndicated feeds in which you have a passing interest.  The feed content is indexed (Bloglines does this; Google does or will, too).  You can query this universe discretely, using Google-like devices and maybe a few new ones.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What&#8217;s different about these two?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In #2, you selected (and casually manage) the universe.  Its chunks &#8212; though perhaps truncated or paraphrased by the author &#8212; are reliably date-stamped.  A free-text query of such data would be very different from an identical Google query.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Add a few more discriminators and it gets better.  Suppose you could discriminate by&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Paragraph length.  That might get you recent topical hits of terse or essay length, as you choose.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Link-text density.  Filter in or out those link-collection posts.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Query-term density or semantic weight.  Is the topic being addressed directly or simply mentioned?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Item weight or image density.  Helps filter noisy or glitzy corporate feeds (think Ziff-Davis).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are plenty more.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The main differences, though, are date discrimination and the pre-filter of a confined universe.  Me, I&#8217;m down to thirty feeds and ignore half of those.  Better tools might change that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;LQ&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s what we&#8217;d like to scan and what we&#8217;d like to read, yes?  Moving content to the must-read front burner will always be deliberate, but improving the content we scan can probably be improved mechanically.  I doubt Brother Orchard thinks there&#8217;s an algorithm for the A-list.  We&#8217;re just talking about making more productive use of the proximate cloud.</p>
<p>Scenario #1:  You Google for topics of interest.  The hits returned can&#8217;t be reliably filtered by creation date, and they consider (in general) the entire indexed Web.  It&#8217;s a good thing, if scatter-shot.  Queries can only be refined so much.</p>
<p>Scenario #2:  You amass and manage a list of syndicated feeds in which you have a passing interest.  The feed content is indexed (Bloglines does this; Google does or will, too).  You can query this universe discretely, using Google-like devices and maybe a few new ones.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s different about these two?</p>
<p>In #2, you selected (and casually manage) the universe.  Its chunks &#8212; though perhaps truncated or paraphrased by the author &#8212; are reliably date-stamped.  A free-text query of such data would be very different from an identical Google query.</p>
<p>Add a few more discriminators and it gets better.  Suppose you could discriminate by</p>
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<p>Paragraph length.  That might get you recent topical hits of terse or essay length, as you choose.</p>
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<p>Link-text density.  Filter in or out those link-collection posts.</p>
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<p>Query-term density or semantic weight.  Is the topic being addressed directly or simply mentioned?</p>
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<p>Item weight or image density.  Helps filter noisy or glitzy corporate feeds (think Ziff-Davis).</p>
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<p>There are plenty more.</p>
<p>The main differences, though, are date discrimination and the pre-filter of a confined universe.  Me, I&#8217;m down to thirty feeds and ignore half of those.  Better tools might change that.</p>
<p>LQ</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Brubeck</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2004/06/14/info-freako-or-whos-already-past-arguing-about-syndication-formats#comment-1239</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Brubeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I love the picture.  Need input!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Pito's Blog</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2004/06/14/info-freako-or-whos-already-past-arguing-about-syndication-formats#comment-1240</link>
		<dc:creator>Pito's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;What's wrong with Feed Readers?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here are two very interesting posts on the question of Feed Readers: Glassdog asks "What's wrong with Feed Readers" Rasterweb talks about "More aggregator maddness" Info Freako This is of more than passing interest to me of course, as it relates to the...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>What&#8217;s wrong with Feed Readers?</strong></p>
<p>Here are two very interesting posts on the question of Feed Readers: Glassdog asks &#8220;What&#8217;s wrong with Feed Readers&#8221; Rasterweb talks about &#8220;More aggregator maddness&#8221; Info Freako This is of more than passing interest to me of course, as it relates to the&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pito's Blog</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2004/06/14/info-freako-or-whos-already-past-arguing-about-syndication-formats#comment-1241</link>
		<dc:creator>Pito's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;What's wrong with Feed Readers?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here are two very interesting posts on the question of Feed Readers: Glassdog asks "What's wrong with Feed Readers" Rasterweb talks about "More aggregator maddness" Info Freako This is of more than passing interest to me of course, as it relates to the...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>What&#8217;s wrong with Feed Readers?</strong></p>
<p>Here are two very interesting posts on the question of Feed Readers: Glassdog asks &#8220;What&#8217;s wrong with Feed Readers&#8221; Rasterweb talks about &#8220;More aggregator maddness&#8221; Info Freako This is of more than passing interest to me of course, as it relates to the&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Headshift</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2004/06/14/info-freako-or-whos-already-past-arguing-about-syndication-formats#comment-1242</link>
		<dc:creator>Headshift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Blog syndication: Can't we do more with it?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Whether a blog feed is in RSS or Atom doesn't really matter. What's important is what we do with all this information.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Blog syndication: Can&#8217;t we do more with it?</strong></p>
<p>Whether a blog feed is in RSS or Atom doesn&#8217;t really matter. What&#8217;s important is what we do with all this information.</p>
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		<title>By: Your Guess Is As Good As Mine</title>
		<link>http://decafbad.com/blog/2004/06/14/info-freako-or-whos-already-past-arguing-about-syndication-formats#comment-1243</link>
		<dc:creator>Your Guess Is As Good As Mine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Info Freako Has Got It Bad&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Les Orchard, yes the one with the twitch for more info, argues that he is past arguing about syndication formats? I dunno, Les, call me a silly rabbit, somehow I am unable to envision Mark Pilgrim, nevermind Dave Winer,...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Info Freako Has Got It Bad</strong></p>
<p>Les Orchard, yes the one with the twitch for more info, argues that he is past arguing about syndication formats? I dunno, Les, call me a silly rabbit, somehow I am unable to envision Mark Pilgrim, nevermind Dave Winer,&#8230;</p>
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